A shameless plug here that I participated in a 30-minute segment on the "state of the housing market" on NPR's Here's a link to the audiocast, on the off-chance you weren't glued to NPR all day Thursday.
At one point, I interjected and asked Shiller if he thought we were hurtling toward a depression. What prompted me to ask were comments Shiller had made in a separate interview recently where he was pretty bearish. On Talk of the Nation, Shiller seemed a little more hopeful that we can dig our way out this time -- noting that after the Crash of 1929, the country had to wait three years for do-nothing Hoover to leave office and make way for FDR and his aggressive agenda to create jobs through public works programs. This time, we only have to wait another two months (though even that short delay could be enough time for GM and the other automakers to file bankruptcy first).
Photo credit: The National Post, which published an interview with Shiller in early October and which is recommended reading.

I visited the Building Industry Association of Southern California’s annual trade show in Long Beach, Calif. yesterday. This is the big show for Southern California homebuilders, where suppliers of everything from appliances to Astroturf pitch their wares.
Folks tried to inject a little fun into the event. The Hooters girls were meeting and greeting at one booth. A company called Universal Truss was handing out Nerf dart guns (Hari Kari anyone?) But the most popular booth was one from Suncoast Framing which had a working bar set up. The theme for the show was “Setting the Stage” for a recovery. Drowning your sorrows was more like it.
In one of the conference rooms, Lisa Grobar, a professor of economics at Cal State Long Beach, predicted the recovery would come next year. Foreclosures will peak in the first half of the year, she said, but not before a second wave of people loses their homes, due to unemployment, not toxic mortgages.
Steve Johnson, of the research firm Metrostudy, made a convincing case that the California market must be bumping pretty close to a bottom. The number of new houses starting construction, for example, is just 13,000. That’s about 20% of what they were two years ago. The state hasn’t seen this little new construction since the 1950s. “We have virtually turned the engine off,” Johnson said.
That wasn’t news to the panelists at an afternoon session on “Surviving a Down Market.” Of the four panel members, three had either changed or lost their jobs just since the show program was printed. The only one who was still at the same company was executive recruiter Kipp Gillian who said he’s gone from getting a 100 resumes a month to 100 a day. Brandon Clements, who recently got laid off from builder Toll Brothers, says he’s been using the free time taking classes to get licensed as a real estate broker and a construction contractor.
Mike Hunter, a land acquisition specialist, said this was now his fifth down cycle in Southern California real estate since he got in the business in the late 1960s. During one he said he didn’t collect a commission check for four years. He had these words of encouragement for those in the audience. “Every single downdraft I’ve been in, we’ve come back better than the previous one.”
You might be surprised to learn that the California foreclosure rate actually decreased by 18% in October compared to September, according to RealtyTrac’s new report. But the news isn’t necessarily good.
The state’s filings have dropped for two straight months because of a new law that requires lenders to make a number of attempts to contact homeowners and then wait 30 days before issuing default notices. This has slowed down the number of foreclosures and will likely just delay the inevitable.
Despite the drop in the California rate, foreclosures nationwide increased 5% from the previous month and 25% from Oct. 2007, RealtyTrac said.
And the worst is likely on the way. Rick Sharga, RealtyTrac's vice president of marketing, told me today that he expects a sharp increase in coming months as the economy worsens and more and more people lose jobs.
"Another wave right now is about to come, driven by the economic downturn," Sharga said.
The flurry of announcements by the government and major banks that they are engaging in a massive campaign to modify mortgages that are in or are hurtling toward default and foreclosure will certainly give rise to predictions that the housing market has been stabilized and disaster averted. If only it were so.
Make no mistake, policymakers and banking executives had to launch this concerted campaign to try to stop the wave after wave of foreclosures that seems to feed on itself. As lenders foreclose on one delinquent borrower, and then sell the home at what is invariably a steep discount, that just pushes a number of nearby homeowners so far underwater that they just move out and mail their keys in, which just sets the cycle in motion again.
But anyone hoping that this synchronized effort to modify millions mortgages that are in trouble is likely to be disappointed. Because behind the splashy headlines, there are limits to what the government and banks can hope to achieve. And trying to slow the free-fall in housing markets is akin to the government trying to put its finger in the dike.
The fact is that despite the double-digit declines in housing values in most cities, housing remains significantly overvalued in many markets by all of the traditional benchmarks: One key ratio – the median cost of a new home vs. median income – suggests that home prices nationwide still need to drop another 15% to 20% on average, as you can see in this chart compiled by money manager Barry Ritholtz. And the equilibrium price is far more than that in bubble markets like southern California and Florida. According to this "fair value" calculator, one suburban neighborhood outside Washington, D.C. that I checked (Alexandria, Va., where I lived in the mid-1990s) is now 47% overvalued. Ditto for a few communities in Los Angeles that I surveyed.
